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a great challenge in sudan

Sudan_099How does one interview a man accused of unleashing genocide?

Flying now to Sudan, in a matter of hours I am to come face to face with President Omar al-Bashir, whom the world lays most of the blame for the atrocities in Darfur.


Ann Curry and Sudan President Omar al-Bashir
Photo by Antoine Sanfuentes, NBC News

It was al-Bashir, international observers say, who armed Arab militias to put down a rebellion among the black African tribes in Sudan's Darfur region, encouraging old racial hatreds to burn out of control across the region.  The toll is estimated at more than a thousand villages burned, more than 200,000 people killed and 2.5 million others displaced.  The violence has bled across Sudan's western border into Chad, and it's southern border into the Central African Republic, theatening an entire region.

It is a war now complicated by rebels on all sides, and even global warming, as the drying of lands in the north drives Arabs south into African tribal territories.

But to the African tribespeople, it is very simple.  Men on horseback, called Janjaweed, set fire to their homes, and shoot, yelling "zurga" and "abid" meaning black slaves.  Women are targeted with rape, and are marked with knife wounds, so they are not able to marry. One 17-year-old girl told me she was asked which tribe she belonged to before she was raped. They wanted to make sure they got the right one.

Human Rights Watch says President al-Bashir should be prosecuted  for war crimes in Darfur. The International Criminal Court has summoned one of the ministers in his government to face possible charges for crimes against humanity. Al-Bashir has just suspended cooperation with the ICC investigators and continues to publically state the situation in Darfur is exaggerated and solely a regional conflict . Now, in his first television interview to the west in four years, he will have a chance to answer these accusations. 

So how exactly am I to face this man? How will I exact the truth, and at the same time keep the horror that I saw on the Darfur border from being revealed in my own eyes? I was never good at poker. I am gearing up for one of the greatest challenges of my career.

11:37 a.m. EDT update: We just finished an unprecedented two-hour, no-holds-barred interview with President al-Bashir. He was emphatic that the world misunderstands what is happening in Darfur. We will air this interview on Nightly News, TODAY and Dateline this week, and will post it as soon as we can here on MSNBC.com.

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Ann, Americans are concerned with Darfur not because of oil interests, but because the suffering of one person, anywhere, diminishes us all. I hope you plan to expand this story--particularly focusing on the refugee camps and modern-day slavery. Thank you for bringing this issue into our living rooms and making it real for us.

I can't believe what I've read. Innccent people are being displaced, dying, suffering, raped and murdered and the U.S. doesn't want to be involved because it will be like Iraq? Hello? Any of you heard of Rwanda? Th U.S and other countries sat on our backsides pushing papers around, while hundreds of innocent people were murdered, raped and macheted. Oil is not more important, Government is not more important, Humanity is the most important. We can debate all we want, in the mean time let's watch hundreds die each day because we have that priveledge. What a great country I live in. Ann, I hope you can bring out the truth.

As a taxpayer why are we even in the UN any more? This organization has proven it is a do nothing corrupt rip off for our tax dollars. Get out now.

Let the European Union handle this one ...we have enough on our plate.

If they are worried about the oil....then let the oil companies hire a Mercenary Army to fight for them.

Do not get me wrong I feel very sorry for those people who are suffering because of this, I am just tired of the rest of the world sitting on their butts and doing nothing.

Dear Ann, I heard your heart speak last Wednesday to some of our young adults. I lift you up in prayer daily for protection as you leave your family to keep us informed so we can think, speak and act with some knowledge.Thank you for your clarity of mission and purity of motive.It stands true that, "It is in the effort of trying that we succeed", and I know you will! You possess amazing love and is acting in concert with others to change the world, at the risk of your own safty. You are seiging the opportunity to do good because of what wounds your heart, and being the change you want to make! God bless you and keep you safe.

I think I just heard Ann Curry report that President al-Bashir says that rape isn't possible in the Sudan, because it is a crime against God. I sit here momentarily, not even knowing how to respond to that. I am angered by hearing that, not only as a woman, but as a human being.
I know that much of the world looks at the US as over indulgers to put it mildly, but if this man believes that people just don't do things because you've told them it is a crime against God, the women, children and other innocents of the Sudan, don't stand a chance.

Hi Ann,
I would like to react in my mind that this is a regional conflict that is way blown out in proportion. It existed even before the US got involved and that more US interference would only worsen the situation (likened to Iraq, I guess).
But my heart says what a heartless, horrible man. He just doesn't see the big picture. I'm sorry.
You're so brave.

First of all the people living in Darfur have been living in these conditions since the beginning of time. Secondly, the US only got involved because it sees a threat posed the evergrowing relations between China and the Sudanese government. The US abandoned the Sudanese oil program in the 70's and its regretting that abandonment. In addition to that the US has to think of another way to paunish the Sudanese government because the Sudan is flourishing and prospering despite the US imposed US sanctions almost a decade ago. If the US wants to attack Sudan, it will get into a hole bigger than both Vietnam and Iraq. These policies that are implemented by the US government are imposed by a group of wicked manipulating Jews(no offense)that control promimenent US figure like G. W. Bush.

As the president of Chad said, the only solution for Darfur is the peaceful one.The situation is so complex since Africans are attacking fellow Africans.
The Sudan government should be part of the solution even though the situation is beyond its full control because of the huge area of the conflict.

What's the catch in this story Ann? I suppose there is a 2008 election connection somewhere in this story! I like that---- "election connection" ...Sounds like something HC or OB could pick up on for their campaign.

Does anyone really think this guy will admit his involvement? There are always foreign economic interests involved with opposition to any humanitarian crisis. When governments place money above human life then the UN should deny their input and begin sanctions against them as well as begin interventions designed to gather hard evidence as well as to quell violence. We all know how Saddam bought off the russians, french and germans with his money and there still is no accounting of those power plays upon political parties. Let those implicated be exposed and denied any future role in world affairs.

What's our exit strategy from Darfur?

As we all know....America is concerned about oil and not about the genocide being conducted in Africa. It’s appalling and atrocious behavior on the part of al-Bashir and the United States!! Shameful!!

A response to the post about oil: A large part of the reason nothing is being done is because there is in fact oil. Sudan sells most of its oil to China. China supports the Khartoum government in return for this. They refuse to use their economic sway over Sudan to influence them or to condemn the genocide. China is also the leading weapons supplier to the Sudanese Government. And as a member of the U.N. Security Council China abstained from voting on resolutions to send peacekeeping forces to Sudan.

not so simple as no oil.... more like american liberals with no back bone. look at iraq. we need to be there, and listen to the people complain. all one needs to do is review what led up to the war, and why we needed to go. Just watch, if we do enter sudan, protestors will go crazy... lets wait on sudan til we have a democrat in office to blame? think all the liberals will complain so much if one of there own sends in the troops? will it become instantly rightious? I dont think so. How will it become any different then iraq's civil war? we will go in and have the same kind of war, and yet another theatre for muslim extremism to operate against the west. So, tough call... ignore or interveen? whos to blame? are the muslims automatically the bad guys here? who is to even judge? Do we go in and topple the government and put up the tribal people to run the muslims? they make up the majority of the population after all. Do we then funnel millions in aid to buy weapons for them to enforce law that will no doubt be corrupt? Didnt colonial england think they were doing the world a favor by conquering and governing the native people? many may argue yes... most prior colonial places are wealthy and influencial in the world to this day becasue of it. actually most, except where the people that lived there were muslims. So, can the west truely enforce our ethics on people who none? A people who for the most part ban education, human rights, dignity, womans rights, fair justice, social knoledge of the world, hygene, and more. What muslims really need is 1 thing... REAL Education. not 2+2=5 becasue god wills it. know why muslims in america are not radicals? you guessed it... education. So forget Sudan. setup there villages with education centers and teach them morals, values and all the stuff they need. Then, watch there world change.

What is wrong with other countries getting involved? They all want the US to come in and help out and they want our money and publicity, let them go beg elsewhere for help. I am tired of giving handouts to the world and we get absolutely no respect in return. Somalia is one example I can think of and so is the aftermath of the Tsunami - we sent help, but they only wanted it on their terms. This is a regional war let them solve it.

There were rapes and mass murders going on in Iraq long before the US got involved. But, according to many, that was not reason enough to send our troups there. Now, some of the same people want us to get involved in a conflict between two Muslim factions in Darfur because rapes and murders are taking place. How is one "civil war" different from the other?

The world is in a state of confussion. African countries, Arab world and so on. The world should stand up for deserving ovations to America. Sudan president is not tougher than Sadam of Iraq was. He must not remain defiant and fool-hardy till the truth is forced out of him. UNO could lead the action, while America settles the dust in other countries in crisis. However, if America sees the urgent need to consider him a threat, he will not last another year in office. But America should not engage in any fight with that impoverished country of Sudan.

Dear Ann. The media takes a lot of flak but in this case your shining the light of world opinion on this evil man and his henchman is the right thing to do. t there is no reasonable explanation for rape & murder. Thanks for keeping us all informed.

I salute your courage for facing this man who has contributed to one of the great evils of our generation. His claims of "misunderstanding" are are appalling. Keep up the good work and stay safe.

i support the sudanese president Al-Bashir and his policies. African nations will not support any sanctions on sudan because sudan is the most prominent nation in Africa right now.
Michael

Mitakia Oyasne ("we are all related")....Dakota Sioux

IT'S PLAIN AND SIMPLE WHY THERE ISN'T ANYTHING BEING DONE, THERE'S NO OIL.

Ann, you are showing great courage and bravery to even enter this evil man's lair. Congratulations on having the courage to bring this story to America - why are we not there instead of in Iraq? I am horrified that this story has heretofor not been presented to Americans so that we can see the horror ourselves and perhaps encourage our lawmakers to assist these people. As someone earlier said, "People are being raped and murdered. What is there to misunderstand"? Thank you so much for bringing this horror to light.

Ann, i hope this interview will be able to table the truth about the conflict in Darfur. The question i ussually ask is; How is it possible that the jajawedd militia became active immediately after the SPLM/SPLMA war. The Darfur crisis toe is a case of Africans wanting to colonise fellow Africana because of Natural resources. The internatuional community and more so Africa should be steadfast in putting sanctions on Khartoum or push for charging El Bashir with crimes against humanity

And what's wrong with other countries helping in this situation? Why was it allowed to get so out of control to begin with? Because no one really cares...that's why.

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