FIGURING IT OUT
If you watch or read a lot of the coverage from the Middle East, you'll eventually run across a lot of good questions being asked by various analysts -- some of which defy easy answers. Last night, a Lebanese politician asked: Why did the Israelis blow up the jet fuel tanks at the Beirut airport if Hezbollah doesn't have any aircraft? Today, a left-leaning American political analyst asked if anyone is struck by the contradiction of the American flag proudly draped over those 40-or-so cartons of aid that arrived today in Beirut -- to be distributed to those who have been displaced by the American-made bombs dropped by American-made jets in an American-sanctioned bombing campaign? Still others routinely ask: Who will pay for the Marshall Plan that is going to be needed to rebuild 80 percent of Lebanon's highways and 95 percent of Lebanon's bridges... not to mention the buildings that have been reduced to dust? And here's another one: How does Israel begin to calculate the width of the "no-go" zone between it and Hezbollah to the north? Based on the range of the Katyushas... or perhaps a longer-range missile? All of these questions come as the coverage now takes on a harder edge, and as the conflict drags on. Required reading on the overall topic includes Tom Friedman's piece from this past weekend (requires TimesSelect subscription), and this week's Newsweek cover story (behind the scenes with the traveling White House), which reveals extraordinary access.
By the way, our analyst tells me the answer as to the fuel tanks has to do with the overarching Israeli attempt at immobilizing Hezbollah: that means by ground and air, and that includes cutting the power grid and even the ability to power generators... even though the generators I'm familiar with don't run on Jet-A.
While the public utterances of the administration have changed since the start of this conflict, today saw a new turn, as Andrea Mitchell will report tonight from the road: a more direct reference to Iran's role (as the administration sees it) than we have ever heard before. And now begins the discussion of this "international force" -- everything to uniforms to area of operation to rules of engagement and beyond. Andrea will of course join us tonight, along with Messrs Engel and Fletcher, and David Gregory on the Iraq front, vis-a-vis today's visitor to the White House. About the Engel piece tonight: it is modeled after the writing he has been doing in this space -- his stories of what he's found on the road in Southern Lebanon are heartbreaking. We will hear one of them tonight. Richard reports there are "outgoing rockets" where he is in Tyre -- that confirms a print report from earlier today, and that would indicate an incoming Israeli round before too long.
Elsewhere in the broadcast tonight: A good piece of reporting on what is happening to home sales, the 19th day of temperatures over 100 in California (and an explanation of the strain on the power grid) and a story that caught our eye in the Washington area, as told by Bob Faw.
About the Early Nightly, our newest addition in this space: It's intended to do what the Daily Nightly does... only with moving pictures and audio, and earlier in the day. Ideally, I will tape something when I'm clear of our morning editorial meeting. Today, for example, I was on an extended shoot outside the building, and David Gregory again did a great job in my place. That is going to happen many mornings -- as my calendar is always quite full, and events call me away from this building at exactly that hour. So, forgive me for handing off to a guest-vlogger from time to time. It will be someone, like David, who is a pro -- aware of our editorial roadmap for the day and/or covering a chunk of it himself. My other goal is to coax some of our notoriously publicity-shy senior-level producers into allowing cameras into their shrouded, secretive lives. They need the exposure. Our readers deserve the transparency. Just who are these shadowy figures behind "NBC Nightly News"?
All kidding aside and back to serious topics: We hope you can join us for tonight's broadcast.
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Is it not great that we can all sit back and make observations? We add are two cents to everything for the sake of spreading some form of are peace or ignorance. The truth is you like I know not the truth for that is lost amongst the rubble's of this war. Truth is more than words it is in the actions and minds of those who create these wars. You shall find that truth when you dig up the rubles and the carnage. It's to Late WW111 has already started. Holly War the war of religions the battle for Israel and its sacred land.
You don’t have to take my word for it. I’m like you I’m just merely Observing this with opinion or perhaps Ignorance. But backed up with commonsense
Jason C S (Sent Aug 20, 2006 9:35:21 PM)
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz.
Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat
Physics:
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewail
Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about
0.02% of the world population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:
& gt; 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloc h
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charle s Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
198 9 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. He eger
Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
The Jews are not demonstrating with their dead on the streets, yelling and chanting and asking for revenge; the Jews are not promoting brain washing
the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims.
The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics; the Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.
The Jews don't have the economic strength of petroleum, nor the possibilities to force the world's media to see "their side" of the question.
Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
And Cindra, your 'facts' are bogus! SHAME ON MSNBC for not checking out your diatribes and rantings, before printing such nonsense!
Pat, Tuscon Ariz (Sent Aug 1, 2006 9:17:26 AM)
To Cindra of Redding CA
Sorry. Cannot agree with your comments on the Israeli "no go zone". You're comments are full of misinformation.
Allen, Bloomfield Hills, MI (Sent Jul 31, 2006 2:40:45 PM)
To D O--There was a "Palestine" long before biblical Israel was formed. It was a kingdom at the time of Abraham--Pelesheth, the king was Abimelech, and the people were Peleshtiy or Peleshtim. Through linguistic drift of different languages, it has been variously known as Philistina, Philistia, Palestina, Phoenicia, Palestine. Two thousand years ago, it was an autonomous part of the Roman province--Syro-Palestina. For the next two thousand years there are records of the province in various empires, the last of which were British colonial records which variously referred to the Levant (Middle East) and specifically Palestine as the "Holy Land", which at that time included Jerusalem. Assyrians (Iraq) are not Germans, they were also Semitic people (descendents of Shem), along with Sumerians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Arameans, Hebrews and Arabs. Persians (Iran) belong to the Indo-European language group which are biblically descendents of Japheth, second son of Noah, and were one of several ancient related nations that can loosely be called "Aryan", including Armenians, Georgians, Scythians, Sogdians, Trojans and Greeks, to name a few. Iran=Aryan. It is nearly impossible to trace the migratory nomadic patterns of most tribal nations and interminglings: "German" comes from the Roman "Germania", which was the name of an region just outside the frontier border of the Empire in northern Europe, which was held as a Roman province for a time, but the people were known as Teutons and Franks by the Romans. Phoenicians may have sailed as far as Britain, and legends also have the Trojans relocating there.
Cindra, Redding, California (Sent Jul 30, 2006 5:07:53 AM)
Steve Mauritan, I agree with everything you say. Israel's intended "no go" zone really stretches from Egypt to Iran, up to the Turkish border what they conceive as the Zionist "Greater Israel", which includes a hefty chunk of northern Saudi Arabia as well. Just watch the "no go" zone keep advancing. Israel says they won't advance past the "no go zone" in Lebanon, but then, just called up 30,000 more IDF reserves. There was a major call up of reserves some weeks before the Shalit incident, then the IDF mobilized along the Palestinian and Lebanese borders. Once they were in place for a two-front war, well what do you know, Corporal Shalit went missing. Not reported in the agitprop media, was the fact that IDF crossed the border into Palestine the very day before the Shalit incident, and kidnapped an Arab doctor and his son on suspicion of being Hamas. The two men had a close relative that was once militant Hamas, but even Hamas now publicly protested about the kidnapping and said the two men were not Hamas, and never had been. Of course the kidnapping provoked a reaction from the Palestinians, over yet another in a long string of Israeli injustices of unlawful search and seizure, and captivity inside the chambers of horrors without benefit of trial or hope of one. Palestine as a recognized sovereign nation has the right of her own extradition due processes and international agreements, and the right to refuse extradition. Any arrests of suspected Palestinian nationals should properly be routed by Israel through the Palestinian government, and which is being brazenly ignored. Where did we get Abu Graeb and Guantanamo? We learned it from Israel--its just 60 years of standard procedure to them. We are learning how to incarcerate people on mere accusation and "thought crimes", and detain them indefinitely until they die of despair. Military intelligence reported that the useful intelligence that was derived from the US gulags the past 5 years was virtually nil. So, Corporal Shalit and his tank platoon came under attack right close to the Palestinian border, and who knows what mischief the patrol was actually up to. Coincidentally, according to the official story, the tank platoon happened to be parked close to a secret tunnel that keeps getting longer with the telling. The last I read, it had grown from 300' feet long, to half a mile. The story doesn't wash about this mystery tunnel because the soil of this particular place is virtually 100% sand. Try to dig a tunnel on the beach. It would be a very noticeable engineering operation as it would require certain equipment, doubtless a water tank to dampen the sand to temporarily firm it up, and truck loads full of cement plaster for shoring up every square inch of the way, unless everything had a Star Trek invisible cloaking device to avoid IDF detection. Sure, the militants have dug tunnels before, mostly to get food and supplies, as well as guns, for a starving population of Palestinians in refugee camps, but those were dug in more solid soil usually at the Egyptian border. Maximum 4'wide, these were crawl tunnels and the materials moved by handloads, not by truckloads. Anyway, the following day the IDF blew up a whole lot of sand, and called it a terrorist tunnel. I hope and pray the young corporal is doing well, and returns to his people safely. In photos I have seen that his friends posted on Israeli websites, however, Corporal Shalit looks like the more mature 19 year old that he is, and not like a 14 year old cute kid that might have just got his braces off. The famous publicized photo was one to tug at every mother's heartstrings, wasn't it? Hamas said they are taking due care of him as a captured prisoner of war, and I am inclined to believe that. How did Hamas cross over then without a tunnel? The IDF reported that the captors escaped back into Palestine by cutting through the razor wire.(Why not use the tunnel again?) This is the real answer. Cutting through 10' wide rows of densely coiled razor-wire is a painstaking, time-consuming process, because the stuff whips around making noise, and slashes any careless person that gets tangled in it. Therefore, Hamas carefully cut the razor wire at the border a few miles away before the foray into Israel, attacked the position, and then made journey back the way they came with the captured corporal. Its that simple. IDF platoon was caught snoozing. This two-day incident was publicized one-sidedly, but well enough that the two Palestinians were released in short order because of European media exposure, rather than disappearing into the Israeli gulag of horror chambers. Think I'm exagerating? I ran across a lengthy discussion paper from a physician exploring "dual-loyalties" of Israeli Jewish physicians, that is the ethical conflict between physican's duty to care for a patient vs loyalty to the state when it calls for witholding care, or using medical skills to further Israel's military goals. I could not believe what I was reading once I got the sense of it. Think about it, then go read the Oath of Hippocrates, for a physician has no "dual loyalties." About the Lebanese border incident--if it was true that the citizen militia Hezbolla crossed into Israel to ambush an IDF tank unit, as alleged, then why did an IDF general sort of apologize to an Israeli newspaper a couple of days after the Lebanon offensive opened, that IDF ground forces were not yet able to cross into Lebanon near a certain village to retrieve the tank and bodies? Oops. A Lebanese blogger close to the incident area independently confirmed that the IDF tank and bodies were on Lebanese soil that had not been retrieved by IDF, and her blog was posted before the news story. Who crossed who's sovereign border? Methinks it wasn't Hezbollah that crossed into Israel. The truth is the IDF strategically planned to open up two tactical fronts against two sovereign nations months ago in pursuit of "Greater Israel", making the US support this on the tail-end, especially with the best darn Congress money can buy, while the Executive branch and military wing is under the influence of Zionist Neocons holding dual American-Israeli citizenships, partnered with Zionist Christian counterparts, all doing the will of this vicious Zionist Israeli government for what can only be called socially engineered global "war profiteering." The Israeli Mossad has been given permission by Bush to freely operate inside the US,and in conjunction with "national security". Yet, the Mossad's motto is: "By deception thou shalt conquer." Very alarming, considering it was Israeli intelligence that faked evidence of Iraq's WMD's to justify US invasion. This is not to condemn the conscientous Jews and decent Israeli citizens who are activists in opposition to their own government's aggressions, and/or are politically active in pursuing Palestinian rights and sovereignity, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel and the US. Hamas was the democratically and duly elected political party that assumed Palestinian government. The people wanted it. That's how "democracy" works, unless Israel doesn't happen to like who you vote in. Since Israel complained they couldn't "deal" with political Hamas, they called up the reserves months ago, waited for a pretext to blow up Palestine, invade it, and haul a third of the government away to the Israeli gulags. Then complain that the Palestinian government is not doing anything constructive. Solitary and alone for 60 years as a "victim" nation, Israel must defend itself from the perceived "seige" of stone-throwing kids, homemade "Kassam" rockets salvaged from scrap sheet metal that are mostly duds, and the hefty Katushkas. The Kassams are symbolic of defiance by a people who refuse to completely break. The Kassams are about as potent as a big pipebomb. They are only about 18-30 inches long and made by hand. One that did drop into an EMPTY school yard at 7 pm blew up about three square feet of brick pavement, and 8 people in the neighborhood were treated at the hospital for "hysteria". That wasn't stressed in the media, all you heard was the chant "children's school yard, children's school yard, children's school yard". Do people get hurt by flying pipebombs? Yes, they can, but the Kassams are so aerodynamically unstable, with hand-welded fins, most of the time they fly off into whatever way the heaviest fin turns them. The 50-lb warhead industrially made Katushka rocket is a more serious and accurate contender. I agree that it does serious damage and does hurt and kill people, and deplore this, but is it really "parity of arms" compared to a two-ton DU bunker buster that IDF is dropping into Lebanon? Depleted uranium is only 66% as radioactive as the fully enriched stuff. Therefore, it must be safe. Iraq is a radioactive environmental disaster area, babies have already been born with such monstrously hideous birth deformities that they are not very easy to describe without me breaking into tears. Those babies that are not stillborn are being tenderly cared for on life support in the Iraqi hospitals, and will be the rest of their lives. I am wretched with grief and shame with what the US has done to these babies with the illegal nukes that poured in during "Shock and Awe" and the rest of the Iraq war. Thanks to our criminal government which has gotten entirely out of the peoples' control,whom our government is supposed to serve, future generations of Iraqi children are now genetically condemned, and no doubt many of our own, the children of American soldiers, and now probably the Lebanese. How far is "collateral damage" supposed to extend? We have lost our bearings. Collateral damage is essentially when an innocent bystander is hit with a ricochet, or a bullet passes through one target, and strikes another unintentionally. It is accidental and unintended, not a cover for mass murder. A new thing has been introduced into the world: "collateral damage" that will extend for generations. It is not "collateral damage" to destroy full, clearly marked Red Cross and Red Crescent ambulances running their mercy missions, just on paranoid suspicion that the vehicles are large enough to carry a missile. They get blasted all of the time, and the IDF thanks Red Cross and Crescent for making ambulances a clearer target by painting big red target emblems on the vehicles' roofs. I didn't know what I was seeing then, but now I do, because Israel is nuking Lebanon, along with bombing up the country with 2-ton "bunker busters" meant for hardened military targets, and vacuum bombs that instantly collapse 10-story blocks of apartments on the occupants inside with no chance of escape. The official count of the Lebanon dead is 350? 400? including other nationals. Who knows how many more are under the mounds of rubble that haven't yet been cleared, and no one will ever know how many have been just vaporized by the mini-nukes, some US made. Nor does the US or anyone know what nuclear technology Israel has developed, bought from other nations, or stolen for themselves on hand. They have officially never declared their nuclear program, nor signed non-proliferation treaties, nor opened their facilities for international inspection as is demanded of other nations. Many Lebanese casualties are suffering from major 3rd and 4th degree flash burns--Lebanon is bitterly protesting IDF's use of illegal white phosphorus (WP). Maybe, but most likely nuclear flash burns. I can tell when the nukes drop now in the news--the nukes are distinctive for their very white colored smoke and mushroom shaped clouds. Other explosions look fuller, rounder and sootier, petrol burns black. Ground nuke damage is distinctive too--the faces of buildings look like they'd been neatly sheared off by a knife. The alleged attack on the SAAR5 corvette, on active combat station bombarding Lebanon by the way, so a legitimate target, is another likely smoke and mirrors trick. I found photos posted on a pro-Zionest talk show host blog site of this top-of-the line SAAR5 being towed into port, view of the starboard side. Ship was riding high and trim in the water with no listing, with no signs of hull or any other damage, helicopter still perched on the aft helipad, every piece of deck equipment perfectly in place. The only thing was a a big smeary smudge of black smoke on the side of the starboard hull rising from a bilge port (?) that was probably burnt diesel which generates lots of dramatic smoke, and so "damage" could be easily faked from a distance. There was no media follow up about the damaged ship, or about funerals for the dead sailors that I could find Doesn't mean it's not there, I just can't find it. Everyone who has been an Israeli casualty so far gets human interest coverage, but so far nada on the sailors. Before the ship ever made it to port for forensic examination, they had already theoretically determined it could be "an Iranian N804 lazer guided missile" after many theoretical corrections, and then spun theory as certain truth. The key thing, however, is that Israeli command blabbed to the Israeli news that the ship's ultra-sophisticated electronic radar anti-missile system had been TURNED OFF at the time of the strike. Odd thing to do on active combat station bombarding Lebanon. Of course, the system's computer would record things, like the IDF's own launchings. What would the other patrolling ships' long-range radar computers covering the same airspace have recorded about the incident? A missile flying west towards Egypt perhaps? The N804 missile has a maximum range of 60 miles. Allegedly, two were launched, one striking the SAAR5 and the Egyptian ship as "collateral damage", implying it was close. The Egyptian ship was 60 miles away in international waters, a little bit far for an overstrike from alleged Iranian guided missile launch with maximum range of 60 miles. To hit the Egyptian ship, Iran would have had to launch from right above the IDF SAAR5 itself!!! The SAAR5 corvette does have a US-made "Hellcat" or "Hellfire" missile similar to the Iranian N804. Don't know what the port side looked like, so maybe it was damaged there, but I doubt it, because the ship was riding trim. Motive would be to stir up trouble between Egypt and Iran, as a "false flag" trick. Who and what is Hezbollah? Hezbolla is a Muslim political group and volunteer militia, with more of a national political leaning than an extremist Islamist orientation. They arose as a ragtag armed resistance during the Lebanese civil war of 1982 between the Marionite Christians and the Muslims, and the subsequent Israeli invasion and occupation, which was followed by the UN peacekeeping forces and humanitarian NGO's. The American and French Marine barracks in Beirut were separately bombed by "terrorists" in 1983, blamed on Hezbolla. Shortly after that, the UN pulled out over a period of three weeks, leaving the IDF as the occupying force inside Lebanon. Hezbolla was hardened in the crucible of those days, when the IDF commenced a documented systematic and barbaric program of rape, pillage, mass murder, and mutilations of thousands of women and children in Lebanon. Some of the Lebanese Hezbolla now are the sons and brothers that had survived then, witnesses to the murder and violation of their mothers, sisters, and brothers in the streets in two series of large massacres, and continuous smaller ones. Not all of the UN humanitarian doctors and workers had quite been evacuated, when the IDF under the likes of Sharon were urged to "blood" themselves in initiation into the glorious name of Zionism. In their arrogant orgy of bloodlust, they paid no attention to the few intimidated UN doctors, peace-keepers and observers that still remained and witnessed the horrors just before their extraction. But then, Israel is responsible for about 94% of the world's illegal Ecstasy market, so what can I say? The international NGO's filed numerous reports and photographic evidence of the slaughters to the UN, and international courts of war crimes, adding to a lengthy accumulated list of such atrocities by the Zionist government of Israel since 1948. If anyone is having difficulty with the concept of "terrorist", then perhaps the place to start defining it is with the history of Zionism under the British Mandate in Palestine. Dealing with the "Stern Gang", the Irgun, and other glorified Zionist gangs, a number of whom were Communist Jews out of Russia, the Brits frankly called these thugs "Zionist terrorists" and prosecuted them as such, who raged across the Middle East, Egypt and the face of Europe in the '30's, and '40's. The difference between then and now is that then the British hunted the Zionist terrorists down as the criminals and thugs they were, brought them to trial, and when convicted, punished them to the fullest extent of the law. The British Mandate was the lawful government of the ME at the time, and regardless of the political and diplomatic issues regarding the formation of future state of Israel then in process, the Zionist terrorists as subject to this lawful authority are still entirely guilty of sedition, espionage, terrorism and rebellion against the British Crown. The list is an extensive witness of the fruit of a "peaceful, victimized, misunderstood act-only-in-self-defense" nation : village massacres and ethnic "cleansing", piracy, armed robbery, looting, ambushes and banditry of civilians and the British military patrols, insurrection and rebellion, inciting riots, gang rapes, burglary, political assassinations, espionage, and mass murder when the Zionists blew up the King David Hotel killing 80+ British diplomats, government officers and journalists residing there. Once, a British officer was captured, viciously tortured and whipped to within an inch of his life by the gangs. When news reached Britain of the half-flayed officer, it spurred an already inflamed citizenry into doing a criminal act that the ever-proper Brits would not normally doin rage: they burned at least one synagogue in Britain and left a sign that said "You whip-We burn". Certainly not condonable, but it must have been something awful for the lid to come off of the Brits' unflappable cool. If this is peace, then what is war? If Israel is a "victim" defending itself, then who really is the aggressor? If you are afraid of someone, that doesn't necessarily mean that someone is actually the aggressor. Since 1948 when Israel was recognized as a state, and the convicted criminal Zionist terrorists as the de facto government by the US, can any one say that this newest nation has matured over time from its radical revolutinary roots, and that its policies and ethics now differ from then in a more civilized and diplomatic way? To my way of thinking, considering Zionist Israel's continuous history of lawlessness, defiance of any authority, and terrorism, the term "terrorist rogue state" definitely comes to mind as more apt than when applied to any other nation so called. No other nation, even the so-called "extreme" Islamic states, has such an extensive history of continuous butchery and mayhem. Any bleats from behind the muzzle of "political correctness"? All of the ME has lived with this butcher state for 60 years and know it and it's character very well, calling it like it is, yet Israel whines about "anti-semitism", and Americans cringe, because we don't want to "offend" anyone, or are afraid of winding up in court for a bogus "thought crime" ourselves. Heaven forbid that anyone be an honest, apolitical historian with impeccable credentials who questions the current account of WW2 and the Holocaust, or you will be thrown into jail for a prima facia "hate crime against the Jewish people" called "historical revision", and be pilloried as a "Nazi" for meticulously presenting a truer and more accurate reflection of periods of history as new evidences fom legitimate historical researches arise. This is happening in Europe, Canada, and Australia now, who used to be bastions of free speech. In these countries, it is illegal to publish or otherwise convey, any contradictory historical research that violates the sanctified version of Holocaust theology as it is presented now. Jewish historians who bring forward their own research are labeled as a "self-hating Jew". America is borderline outlawing legitimate historical research into WW2. Practical censorship of books is effected through pressure on publishing houses to not publish them. Those that do attempt to bring forward new historical and scientific researches are threatened, harrassed, battered, have their offices and homes arsoned and research materials stolen, and are drawn into lengthy civil suits by certain Zionist interests. Anti-semitism is an irrational racialist hate for the "crime" of being born who one is, which is never acceptable nor condonable. Anti-Zionism has nothing to do with "supremist ideology"--it is legitimate political opposition to and a rational "hatred" of, the murderous regime policies and ideologies that are currently being prosecuted aggressively by Zionist Israel and the evil that is resulting. Nor is it right and proper to condone any of this in the name of "religion". It can't be condemned because it is a part of a "religion"? This political opposition does not deny Israel's right to exist as a sovereign nation itself, especially a peaceful one, that had acquired their sovereign territory through legal and diplomatic means, with just compensation to the affected people. This was not the case. The famous Zionist Stern Gang leader Ben Gurion himself publicly admitted that he understood why the Palestinians were angry, because Israel had stolen their land from them through glorified systematic violence, and they still are. This statement is well-documented in historical literature, and can be easily produced especially on the Web. Hezbollah remembers the killing streets of Lebanon that ran with innocent blood of screaming women and children in the early years of the first Zionist occupation, and they have spent 25 years preparing for any second invasion as a highly disciplined paramilitary force they have become, ready to defend their country, and stop IDF groundforces by any means they have at hand to keep their vulnerable ones from any repeat of atrocities as happened in the '80's. No, they are not under the military control of the Lebanese government nor on government payroll, and it is foolish to demand that the Lebanon government "do something" about Hezbollah resistance when in fact, the IDF couldn't uproot them in 18 years of occupation. Political Hezbollah is also responsible for building medical clinics, housing, and homeless shelters in southern Lebanon, and assisted the government with its own infrastructure rebuilding projects. More, they are currently stonewalling the IDF ground invasion long enough in the south to allow the exodus of several hundred thousand non-combatant refugees into Syria, some of whom are Lebanese Americans going with their families that they came to visit. Imagine that, Hezbollah's strong militant stance of deterrance is indirectly helping defend on the ground the 25,000 American tourists that are still being evacuated farther north. And bad, wicked Islamic Syria. She has thrown wide her borders and checkpoints for anyone seeking refuge from war, Christian and Muslim alike, including American and European who can't get out any other way. The Syrian people meets everyone coming across the border with food and water, medical assistance, and addresses and telephone numbers of family homes and shelters the refugees can stay at. The IDF is doing fly-overs in sovereign air space of Syria, contrary to international law, as they were doing habitually over Lebanon before. "Proxy war with Iran" my foot. That is becoming the new media hypnotic mantra, and people should not get caught up in the idiotic rhetoric. Iran has a right to defend and support her allies, especially under wartime conditions, just as any other nation does. Oh, silly me. This is not a war, because Israel says it's not a war. How about studying up on the modern history of Iran since its revolution in 1979, and the root causes of that revolution. Rule under the monarchy of Shah of Iran was absolute hell. The Shah was an inept and corrupt ruler, extremely immoral and decadent man that surrounded himself in oriental opulence while prostituting his own country to outside corporate and international interests. The elite, aristocratic government was entirely corrupt, compromised by Big Oil concerns and shady dealings. In practical terms the country was run through the terror reign of the Sabak, the Shah's secret police who took sadistic delight in torturing and tormenting their captives in such medieval ways that it makes the despicable modern methods we've seen look like group therapy sessions in comparison. Israel had a sweetheart deal with the Shah--he pumped free Iranian oil into Israel, and corrupted CIA-Mossad operatives provided for the Shah's more despicable and insatiable tastes. The practical shadow government of Iran was Big Oil and CIA-front corporations, the nation kept impoverished despite the oil wealth that should have relieved conditions for the people. A certain number of privileged Iranian students were able to study abroad at Western schools, and came home with what they learned in the sciences, medicine, and political sciences. Those who studied various forms of government and political science came across the Constitution and Bill of Rights. These students who were already passionate disciples of Ayatollah Kohmeini returned home, and in time began the revolutionary work of overthrowing the corrupt monarchy, reclaiming national resources from international Big Oil, hunting down the hated Sabak, and shutting off the free oil to Israel that had kept Israel living in pampered luxury for years. Ugly, but revolution had to come, if the Iranians were to save their nation. Patriots have a duty to defend their nation from all enemies without and from within. It is all about oil; what Israel aspires to is a complete strategic economic monopoly on the network of oil pipelines and ports lacing throughout the entire MidEast. Control the pipelines--control the oil, and Israel gets free oil besides. "Greater Israel" would accomplish all that and more in the way of stealing natural resources of other nations towards the Israeli goal of regional dominance and self-sufficiency in the plan called "A Clean Break", presumably from the US. From the Palestinians and the Lebanese, any sober-minded person should realize that anyone not a Jew, other than a Zionist sympathiser, residing in "Greater Israel" under the Zionist yoke will continue to receive the same treatment as they are now, and probably worse. The Iranian Revolution was an amazing leap from historical absolute monarchial rule of 3500 years which seriously declined into a depraved monarchy that in no way resembled the ancient enlightened rule of the Persian kings. In one giant step out of antiquity, Iran stepped into the modern history as a viable Islamic Republic. One great fruit of the Revolution is the Constitution of the Republic of Iran which was penned and ratified by the people as the law of state government under Islamic religious law principles. What I've seen of the Iranian Constitution reads very well, and has many parallels to US Constitution in the civil sense. Israel has never adopted and ratified a Constitution for itself, she makes up her government as she goes, depending on the party that is voted in. I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian, which is a deeply traditional, patriarchal, "oriental" faith more than a western one. I can grasp some of the moral, religious and spiritual themes the Iranian President was conveying because of certain cultural and historical parallels between Islam and Orthodoxy. For one thing, the Byzantine Orthodox Christians hated the Latin Crusaders, too, and fought against them when necessary as usurpers, lawless and dangerous rabble, robbers and thieves, right alongside Muslims which shared Byzantine and MidEast soil. We resisted any doctrinal changes to our Holy Tradition from other Christian Churches, and still do. For another, while Orthodox Christianity is a "denomination" in the US, in the motherland countries like Russia, Greece, Serbia, and Romania, the Orthodox Church is the state national church, although other faiths can practice as religious minorities. In Greece, new establishment of religious groups such as modern Protestants must apply to and receive permit from the Greek Orthodox Church itself. Religion is frankly taught in Greek schools. There are separate schools for Christians and Muslims, and private American, French or German schools. Yes, there was the tense Tehran hostage situation at the start of the Revolution, and then the devastating war between US-backed Iraq and Iran. What very few people seemed to get, however, is that President Abimanejad's personal letter to President Bush is an extraordinary gesture for two reasons: it is historically significant because it marks the first time in about 35 years that Iran directly contacted the USA itself; and it was written from his heart and the heart of the Iranian people in the obvious hope of reaching the heart of the President and the American people. The letter is a sober-minded invitation to sanity. Yes, it is sometimes critical of modernist "American culture", but if America has any uprightness and integrity left, we can take the criticism, and honestly reflect on the spiritual and moral flaws that are affecting us now, considering such symptoms like illegal drugs, alcoholism, organized crime, and a culture of excessive consumerism and greed, to start with. Does any one remember why they got cable TV? To get away from the advertisements that took over programming. America has lost such higher moral pillars such as a comittment to truth, justice, mercy, duty, obligation, responsibility, honor, respect, and personal and national integrity. These things simply "don't feel good" or "hurt my self-esteem" or cut into profits, or are irrelevent to modern "moral relativity". Maybe the only places where these values are spoken of any more are VFW halls. We are an undisciplined nation trying to impose discipline upon other nations, hence no one thinks much of cowboys right now. There is much that is good in the the American soul: we have always been first to jump assistance for natural disasters; private donations to humanitarian and charitable causes in 2nd and 3rd world nations probably can't be beat. You'd be suprised how many Muslims and other people of the world really do like the average decent, hard-working and respectful American personally, while at the same time hating the US Government and dove-tailed corporate interests for their global indecency, greed and injustice which span decades, and the alliance with Zionist Israel. The old proverb "You are judged by the friends you keep" is certainly true now more than ever. Seen through the eyes of the Orient, there is a part of America that is, in fact, deserving of the figurative name of "Great Satan", the father of all evil. There is a lot about the shallow, immodest, and cheap aspects of "American culture" that I don't like either. Iran had a very good reason to hate the US--first the theft and plunder of their nation for Big Oil, then the US-backed real "proxie war" with Iran by way of Iraq. There is an official President of Iran website, in English, and his letter is linked at the bottom. It is recommended reading, whether one agrees with it or not. Regardless of doctrinal differences and historical frictions between Islam and Orthodox Christianity, Islam's core religious principle is to struggle for virtue over vice, in other words, spiritual and moral excellence. In the Orthodox Christian faith, this is called "askesis"--inner spiritual warfare and discipline over one's self in all circumstances in war and peace; the Islamic parallel is "jihad". Many evils and fanatic extremisms have been committed in the name of Christ that cannot ever be justified as the Christian way. The same is true of the Islamic faith, and Judaism as well. Iran did not make any direct threat about destroying Israel, probably a mistranslation to enhance the agitprop terrorist slant. It was figurative and allegorical--the closest interpretation is that Israel should be "wiped from the pages of history". With the history and ideology of radical Zionism as it is playing out now, I can certainly see the allegorical point which he spoke at the time. This in no way detracts from the fact that Iran will defend herself and her allies as is her right and duty, and has legitimately warned us in no uncertain terms that she will if pressed. During all the war-drumming at beginning of Israel's assault on the Lebanese front, while our attention was focused on that, President Abimanejad made a cordial, gentlemanly personal visit to--get this--the President of Spain, another western nation and, of course, heavily Catholic. Obviously, the Spanish President took Iran's letter more in the intended spirit than Bush did. Obviously, over the past 35 years The Islamic Republic of Iran has matured as a nation on the world stage from its radical roots. She has retained the "flavor" of her own ancient, cultural Persian traditions and history as an Islamic nation. Iran has worked out her national government that best fits Iran and her heritages. It is called national self-determination. Lebanon rose from the ashes with a viable democratic republic form of government informed by its own national heritage, and a balanced parliament that includes both the Marionite Christians and the Muslims. Whether we like it or not, Hezbollah, as a duly elected political party, holds about 18% of the parliamentary seats. In fact, all of the Islamic nations have their own cultural and traditional "flavor" and political temperament, and it has been very short-sighted analytical folly to determine foreign policy towards the Islamic MidEast based strictly on the Islamic models of Egypt and Turkey, as all of the advisors have done. On a small local scale, we would never impose on the Amish people to be anything other than who they are, who are firmly anti-modernist in faith, and still drive Pennsylvanian roads in horsedrawn carriages. They are governed by elders of their faith, not by democracy. Their only concession has been to put on safety lights for night time visibility. As a small nation within America, they have long enjoyed the right to self-detrmination out of their own traditional heritages. The same right of self-determination is true for sovereign nations on a much larger scale. Lebanon has worked out an elected representative government that works for her, taking into consideration populations of two distinct traditional communities that regionally break along religious lines. There are Christian localities, and Muslim ones. Muslim Egypt must consider her Christian communities of the Coptic and Egyptian Orthodox Churches. Turkey, a democracy, is almost entirely Muslim with a Kurdish population. Other Islamic nations have demographic considerations of their own. Maybe no one remembers that Brian and crew were in Lebanon a couple of weeks ago originally to announce Lebanon's grand debut on the world stage as a truly great Cinderella story if there ever was one in terms of a nation rising from bitter ashes. Friendly to the West, beautiful, clean and sleek, economically and socially stable, and hospitable to all. With the wounds of history behind her, she was becoming one of the finest tourist areas of the ME. What an annoying neighbor for Israel who is experiencing economic woes. Naturally, it was about time to pick a fight and pound Lebanon into the ground, rubbing out the competition, and it will be years before she recovers. Great credit must be given to the 1600 Israeli "Refuseniks", who are veteran IDF reserves from former campaigns carrying a burden of conscience for their former participation in the Zionist persecutions of Palestine and Lebanon, that are refusing now to answer the call-up of the reserves, and encouraging other reservists also to refuse. Inside Israel, they are traitors to the Zionist cause. I've adopted them as heroes of conscience and support them in their efforts. They have a website if it hasn't been taken down recently, using a google search for "Refuseniks", if anyone is interested in their insights. So are the anti-Zionist Orthodox Jewish sites. Israel "never forgets". They never forgive either, and they will make the world pay, and pay, and pay. Good night for now.
Cindra, Redding, California (Sent Jul 30, 2006 3:55:21 AM)
"There will be wars and rumors or wars." This doesn't surprise me. Last time I checked, we were all just humans, and not all-knowing, so we don't live in a perfect world.
Jane, Southern Mississippi (Sent Jul 29, 2006 2:42:35 AM)
Has the world forgoten that for centuries the Middle East has always been a hot spot? For anyone to believe that peace could be found is living on fantacy island. Throughout history Israel has always been the one to be blamed for creating the violence and the wars. Why, because they chose not to submit themselves to any outside ideaological belief system. Whether or not they are responsible for centuries of violence or wars; the past and present leaders in other Middle East countries will always focus the blame on Israel. When you have individuals willing to sacrifice everything for the total destruction of Israel there could be no peace. As history has shown us this has been proven over and over again. Not say that at some point in the future the hope for peace will be for real. Other countries outside the Middle East can try as hard as possible to create a peaceful solution for the region, but to be realistic only the Middle East must want peace and that right now is not going to happen. So maybe we should stop trying to insert our time and money on a cause that is not ready for peace.
Adam Hess, Lancaster PA (Sent Jul 28, 2006 2:15:58 PM)
Throughout history the Middle East has always been a hot spot. For anyone to believe that any kind of cease fire and/or resolution could be reached is living on fantacy island. These people have been at war for centuries. Peace can only come when all parties involved agree to end all hostilities with each other and stop trying to prove that their ideaology is the right one. Including their religious beliefs. If this happens peace could be found. However history tells us otherwise that an agreement like this could possibly not happen. Not when you have individuals intent on asserting their belief system in a destructive way to accomplish the absolute end in peoples lives. These individuals hate to told the "right" way to live out their lives and belief system. Peace will not happen until there is absolute divine intervention. Nothing and no one at this time could end centuries of hatred and war in the Middle East. Not to say that there isn't any hope, but that hope is a long way from coming into being.
Adam Hess (Sent Jul 28, 2006 1:55:23 PM)
america supplys bomb shelters for the jews and then they supply bombs for the lebanese and the palestinians delivered by the jews
steve SUFFOLK L.I. (Sent Jul 28, 2006 1:08:15 PM)
I can't seem to find it necessary to apologize for the Israelis. There is no need to. They have been continually attacked and harrassed for decades by the Muslim world. As far as I am concerned the Muslim world needs to be doing all the apoligizing for their stupidity, unnecessary hatred, and murderous bent. I applaud the Israelis. Its about time they got around to kicking some behind. As for those folks who whine about the Arabs getting hurt or killed, where were they when Israel was getting hammered and asked to not retaliate and exercise restraint. They need to knock off the "doe-eyed" simpering and just shut up. That goes for the liberal media as well. Do try to remember who danced when 9/11 happened. As far as the UN is concerned that outfit needs to be shut down.
(Sent Jul 28, 2006 9:49:40 AM)
I may be way off base here, but I would think I'd like our soldiers home patrolling our borders and cities and countryside. I am tired of fighting for everyone else's democracy. If a country wants to be a democracy, let them fight for it themselves. It will mean more to them than our shoving it down their throats. And to those who say we are fighting in Iraq for OUR freedom, well I don't feel any more free. I just worry about my son and all the other American soldiers. Now I worry that we will be pulled in to help Israel. I do feel that Israel had to fight back, but when will it all end?
Jane, Southern Mississippi (Sent Jul 27, 2006 11:12:34 PM)
The Israeli Defense Force is the fifth most powerful war machine in the world. Despite comprising only .001 per cent of the world’s population, Israel receives one third of all American foreign aid. They receive the most American military aid of any country on earth, and are the largest buyer of American made weapons. Those are American made M109 155mm self-propelled howitzers firing M110A1 WP white phosphorous incendiary shells and M483A1 DPICM cluster munitions into Lebanese villages, and those are American made F-16 fighter-bombers dropping American made GBU-28 5,000 lb laser-guided bombs upon residential suburbs of Beirut. Israel’s indiscriminate attack on Lebanon unequivocally constitutes a crime against humanity pursuant to the UN Charter, Articles 33, 48, and 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, and Article 7 of the International Criminal Court (ICC) Statutes of 1998, differing from Lidice and Guernica only in scope. They are perpetrating this atrocity with American made weapons paid for with American taxpayers dollars under the diplomatic cover of the American Secretary of State and American Ambassador to the UN and with the inane cheerleading of the American President and American Congress. If indeed these are the elected leaders of a free democracy simply expressing the will of the people, by extension that makes every American citizen fully complicit as a war criminal.
Words simply cannot express the depth of my grief for the people of Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine, or the depth of my shame and revulsion for the United States.
Stephen Maturin, Tampa, FL (Sent Jul 27, 2006 7:28:28 PM)
Let's examine just what was proposed by Rice in the Rome conclaves. Offering Turkey and Egypt as go-betweens, in my opinion, is like trying to win a poker hand with a pair of deuces. The real player in this game is the EU which apparently cannot be plied into cooperating. In effect, the EU apparently had to be eased into providing support for this conflict which it apparently doesn't want and who could blame them! Is this the best the US could offer? I am sure that this was seen by all as the lowball bid by Rice in this take all hand and she was laughed out of the meeting room. Imagine the cards just falling off of the poker table as this less-than-adequate hand had been bid(imagine the laughter filling the room upon offering this bid). Poor card playing by the Bush administration can be the only cause for a poker game that when everyone leaves the room, there are no smiles on the players' faces. For a non-socialistic president, this puts greater pressure on Bush to look like he actually cares. And my guess is that Texas Hold'em will not be the favorite game that the EU or other envoys will engage in next time even though Bush should be a better player than he has demonstrated to date. May I suggest GO-FISH?
(Sent Jul 27, 2006 1:00:23 PM)
One can see if they want to what Israel is doing is wrong, it is the same what America and Britain did in Iraq. It is very easy to blame Muslams and Islam as western media is powerful and in the hands of jews, if you don't know how it feels to live under occupation then it is very difficult to understand what is happenning in Middle East.Israel was created by the west and not UN, because when it suits western world they use UN otherwise they don't care about it, example is the recent event in Iraq. This all the game for oil, sometime I wish that this all oil of the world was in the west and other countries would have lived peacefully. I pray that this madness ends sooner then later.
(Sent Jul 27, 2006 12:09:22 PM)
Those in south Lebanon who support Hezbollah are getting what they so very much want to give to Israel and to the rest of us. Why is it alright for Hezbollah to express themselves with attacks against others but it is not alright for them to get it handed back to them? Why is it such a problem for you to report the reason why groups like Hezbollah exists? Sit down with one of them and ask what they want, if you are a true reporter of facts, so that they can tell you that all must be subjected to their version of Islam, no others can exist that do not subscribe to this version and you can now insert what ever religious blah blah you want at this point. You can't have a choice, you can't have a voice, you can't be left alone, you can't have anything with these people. They are twisted, religious fanatics that are not capable of reason, no religious fanatic is. Stop showing the civilians who wanted Hezbollah around in the first place and show the Hezbollah members celebrating the death and destruction they cause. Lebanon is apathetic and waits for others to take charge and make policy, well enjoy the policy makers known as Hezbollah and continue to keep them close to your children as it make for great and graphic images to tag onto NBC's shallow reporting.
S. Heitz, Bamberg, Germany (Sent Jul 27, 2006 3:41:00 AM)
J, you need to come out of your bunker and realize that not every Muslim is a bloodthirsty extremist. No more than every white person in Florida is a mouth-breathing KKK member.
In every conflict the government wants to demonize the adversary. We saw it in the portrayal of the Japanese and Germans in WWII. Now those bloodthirsty would-be world conquerors of the past are our friends.
Jack, Scottsdale, AZ (Sent Jul 27, 2006 12:44:28 AM)
I for one have a hard time saying what i'd like in writing but i know one thing it seems to me that more pepole are seeing the bush's for what thay are none american lives for oil and riches thats the bush plan thats not the american way i'm 57 years old i have seen alot i love my country my kids and family but all i see is the leaders of my great country selling us out. vote them out if we can have a fare vote and give are kids a furture the bushs will go down in history for what thay are and thats not good.
(Sent Jul 26, 2006 10:24:08 PM)
Why is america selling the same missels we sold to Israel, to Hezbollah?
salitine, Pottstown PA (Sent Jul 26, 2006 7:46:07 PM)
Those of you who are feeling sorry for the poor 'oppressed' Palestinians, or the 'innocent' civilian Lebonese had better wake up fast and 'smell the roses' before it's too late for everyone else on this planet who is NOT a Muslim! Would you send your child, or any other of your loved ones, into a suicidal situation, all in the name of your God? NO! Would you seek the wanton destruction of another human being based solely and exclusively on the fact that they do not believe as you do? NO! Isn't it obvious that the US is sitting back and 'permitting' Israel to do the DIRTY WORK for the rest of the civilized world - that is to rid this earth of the 'madmen' of this planet!! Make no mistake - these people will not rest, nor will they let us or anyone else rest, until they systematically remove every non-Muslim from the face of this earth, man by man, woman by woman and child by child! Do they care about education, or prosperity to secure a better life for all, or scientific advancements to benefit mankind, or anything else besides killing in the name of their God? THE ANSWER IS NO! Terrorism is their way and will always be their way. I say nonsense to getting to their young to change their way of thinking. Don't forget that scores of their young attend our colleges and live our 'way of life', only to return to their extremist cultures with bigger, better and more 'educated' ideas about how to eliminate us! Pacifism has NEVER worked, not for 2,000 years, and it certainly will not succeed now. People who do not give a 'hoot' about their own children's destruction sure as 'shootin' won't ever care about ours!
J from Florida (Sent Jul 26, 2006 5:41:34 PM)
I ask all people to read Christopher Dickey's article on today Rome's meeting and the crisis in the middleast. I think he made some valid points and clearly analyzedthe crisis without taking sides
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14045328/site/newsweek/
Jon, Washington DC (Sent Jul 26, 2006 5:38:34 PM)
Josh from PA- Whose land was Israel currently occupying? Israel is a state that was founded by the UN. If anything you should be angry at the UN. The land that it was occupying that you are thinking of was given back in 2000 when the troops left southern Lebanon. All of the other land you are thinking of was won in a series of wars (and later given back) that Israel did not start. EVERYBODY listen, here is the take home message: What would happen if Hezbollah and Hamas were disarmed? Anwser: peace. What would happen if Israel was disarmed? Anwser: slaughter in the streets.
Not a peacenik Tidewater, VA (Sent Jul 26, 2006 3:39:00 PM)
you people think brian is such a great reporter ask him about a guy named speelman a american citizen who joined the israeli army and is at this moment killing innocent lebanese.he said he rather fight for israel than the united states.brian deleted the story.
steve ny (Sent Jul 26, 2006 2:57:09 PM)
What is a terrorist? What is is a freedom fighter?
How about guerilla's, rebels, insurgents? The labels are nearly infinet. So it all comes down to interpretation and who is doing the interpreting. Our current adminstration has made policy to redefine interpretation itself. So these are fair questions for the fair minded. The absent minded cant seem to find there way off the elevator. Time for the clear thinkers to participate. Are there not any of us with the courage to step up and explain it to the rest of us, that are so confused? Who is wearing the white hats and who is wearing the black? How can we explain it to our children when they ask why?
Confused in Ohio (Sent Jul 26, 2006 2:45:37 PM)
Maybe it is time to consider doing what is best for America in the Middle East and maybe what is "best" is having many friends instead one. Our unilateral support of Isreal has done little more over time than cost us money and lives - and is anything really any different than it was 25 years ago in terms of being closer to a solution? OK the Jews want to return to the "homeland from which they were displaced" and we have blindly supported that no matter the ongoing costs. Hey, lots of peoples have been displaced over time. If this is going to be our policy I sure hope the Cherokee or the Sioux don't decide they want theirs back any time soon.
Keith, Plymouth, MI (Sent Jul 26, 2006 2:01:17 PM)
It is quite disheartening to wade through the twisted logic and the current response to the current Isreal-Lebanon crisis by the Bush administration and US Congress. It appears that the administration and the press are underestimating the intelligence of most americans when it refers to the "root" cause of the current crisis. If the word "root" is removed, there may be some truth in the administration's argument. Depending on the time frame you wish to start to define "root cause", there are many events which could be used to determine the "root cause". On a more comprehensive basis the following appears to me to bear some common sense rationale: 1) Isreal has probable the fourth or fifth most powerful military in the world. Has it ever occurred to the US administration and/or Israel that Israel's current use of it's military with such brute force in Lebanon may be of real concern to European countries-US major allies included-who may have to rethink about their vulnerabilities in the strategic balance of military power not only in the Middle East but in Europe and the Middle East. Basically, the current Israeli administration is not behaving with the political maturity, care and foresighted thinking reserved for countries with such advanced military capabilities and seemingly unrestrained US support.
2) Israel truthfully withdraw from Lebanon unilaterally in 2000. While this action is commendable to and a courageous act by Israeli (Barak)administration, somehow they avoided or failed to seriously consider that such a withdrawal was done without negotiations and/or agreement with Lebanon to prevent the conditions creating the room for extremist group as Hezbollah to organize serious threat to Israel's northern border-region. Again any forward thinking government will not engage in such unilateral and un-negotiated withdrawal. Perphaps, the Barak administration felt it expedient to avoid a negotiated withdrawal as means to avoid accountability and settlement for collateral damages caused by Israel's military actions and related occupation.
3) Since the Israeli military withdrawal of 2000, the Lebanese airspace has never been respected by Israel. With impunity the Israeli airforce has on numerous occassions conducted bombing strikes in Lebanon, one of which accidentally struck the UN post and personnel. The recent accidental attack on the UN Post in Lebanon is in fact the second or third occurrence.
4) Based on the current positions of US and Israeli administrations, there is the appearance that peace negotiations in the middle east can only be continued and be succesfully completed from their set policy positions and prerequisites rather than from rigorously effort, fairness, unbiased and foresighted positions void of predetermined hardened positions. A mack truck can be driven through the numerous holes existing in the argument by Israel that there is no credible party to negotiate with. This argument indirectly postulates that the EU, the Arab League, the Palestanian (Abbas) Administration and the quartet are all not credible enough.
5. For Israel to enjoy peace, Israel must reach a negotiated peaceful co-existence with all of it's neighbors. This is a co-existence which should be principled on fundamental human rights, fairness, meaningful cultural and religeous respect and positive exchanges, respect for defined territorial integrity/borders, flourishing trade and economic exchanges and compliance with international law. Not unless, we in the international community, have exhausted our collective intellectual capacity and capabilities,it should not take 30 years or more to accomlish this. 6) Israel enjoys the highest and the most disproportional financial and military aid from the US in history. Could it be argued with shortsightedness that Israel may see it benefitting to continue the condition of conflict with it's neighbors to keep the status quo of US aid that may have little or no rational basis if Israel is at peace with all of it's neighbors. 7) Enduring peace may only have long lasting impact if Israel and the US engage in peace negotiations with fairness, foresight, fortitude and effort that is not commenced on lobsided biases and unqualified support for Israel's predetermined position but takes into serious considerations the prospects of the resulting advancement of a flourishing Israel and the Middle East and their needed contributions to the international community. 8) The end goals and residual benefit for peaceful co-existence of Isael and all of it's neighobors are well known and covered extensively in the press. The problem has been the process and hardened prerequisite policy position from which negotiations commence. The extent carnage, loss of innocent lifes, property losses, human suffering, lost economic opportunities continued in the status quo compeling for Israel, the US, Arab countries, the EU and international community to re-examine and re-shape current and previous policies, to engage more actively and work harder for a peaceful and political resolution. The over reliance on the military approach currently lacking in serious political and diplomatic effort provides only a short-lived calm and a false sense of security and peace.
(Sent Jul 26, 2006 1:50:04 PM)
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