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Immigration imbroglio

A few dozen very angry people on both sides of the immigration debate faced off outside the Capitol today, hurling bellicose insults and calling each other racists and fascists in two different languages. The occasion was a rally by the Minutemen in Senate Park, where leaders of that organization took turns bashing the president and the Senate for what they believe will be the ultimate passage of an "amnesty" for illegal immigrants.

Emotions were running very high as a group of about two dozen counter-protesters gathered 80 or so yards away and -- with the help of a bullhorn -- taunted the Minutemen with chants like, "You forgot your hoods!" and, "No Minutemen, no KKK, no fascists in the U.S.A.!" and so on.

"Go to hell!" shouted Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrest back at them. He called the protesters "proponents of anarchy, communism, and the true segregationists in this country."

Much of the Minutemen's ire was directed at the president, and some in the crowd shouted "Traitor!" when his name was mentioned. The Senate didn't fare much better. "They are literally going to shove amnesty down our throats," says Gilchrest of the pending legislation. He foretold of the emergence of a third-party president in 2008 if things keep going the way they are. Another speaker, John Clark, warned that anyone who votes for "amnesty... will be voted out of office. Period!" Gilchrest says the bill will lead to a "mobacracy." Supporters in the crowd of about 50 sported buttons that featured the president's face with a red slash though it that read, "George, you're fired!"

Other speakers warned of a "tsunami" of immigrants who will propagate so rapidly as to number 200 million in very short order. "This is a place where we salute the red, white, and blue. Not the red, white, and green!" declared Minuteman Stephen Eichler. An especially vitriolic speaker named Barbara Coe raised the prospect of armed revolution; "We will die on our feet before we submit on our knees!" she declared. A dog sported a button that read: "Got Papers?"

Nonetheless, Gilchrest asserted in a Q&A with reporters that the Minutemen "are not immigrant bashers."

At the conclusion of the rally, Minutemen and their supporters walked over to where the counter-protesters were demonstrating and the fun really started. If it weren't for a phalanx of Capitol police who formed a buffer between the two groups, we might have had us an old school riot.

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I am not a citizen of this country and I live in Panorama City. I live in an apartment full of hispanics and they pee on the public washing machine, drink beer outside and throw empty cans on the sidewalk. They're acting up like they are in Mexico and the US government should deport all these illegals. In few years time Los Angeles is going to be little Mexico where law is no longer respected.

let's stop being tax slaves for Mexico
and make a new and improved free country out of Liberia.

let King George and his Mexican minions sink into third status without us

This situation is pathetic. The handwriting is on the walls, literally in graffiti. I am a one issue voter, period. Who in their right mind would not want to regulate who comes into our country?

Enough with being called racists because we won't open the border. This county is in a downward spiral into third world territory, all at the expense of the taxpaying citizens.

I've been a busboy, mowed lawns and worked in construction. I left my last job because I was required to take a pay cut of twenty-five percent so our company could compete with a competitor who hired illegals. And no, working at Jack-n-the Box is not supposed to be a career. It used to be a job students and others would take during transitional periods in their lives. How hard is it to train someone to work the deep fryer anyway?

As far as they 'pay their fair share' baloney, think about this one, and only one issue:

If the state gives school districts $6,000 to $7,000 per student per year, there is no way an 'illegal' contributes anywhere close to that amount to the state. And that is for ONE child. Keep in mind most of this money comes from property taxes, and with multiple families living in a single dwelling....do the math. The schools are in horrible shape and getting worse by the day.

The day before the big 'anti illegal' rallies on May 1st, my wife and I went to a movie at our local mall, only to be harassed and intimidated by a group of five 'Hispanics' waving the mexican flag.

Enough of this crap, vote these sellouts out of office.

Well, we can also say to Heck with paying interest on the national debt and move to Liberia

small group of conservative Christians who have lived the flaws in immigration and who know not to give lawyers turned wizards "supreme court" too much power and no accountability.

A new and improved free and Christian country
and we can all kick back and watch the troubles over in Third World United States and LAUGH

Its not your country, its not my country
The native Indians own this country - or do they? They too migrated from somewhere !?
So who is the judge and jury here ?
So the best thing is to establish fair rules and then by golly follow the rules!

We are legal immigrants. All Americans are legal immigrants ! The reason America is America is because we have laws and systems - not perfect but then everything is relative in this world isnt it ? Why whould be bend the laws for some? So a few politicians can bend the votes or get an additional vote bank? I speak English but increasingly it appears that we are going to be forced to learn Spanish! My daughter spent almost 15 years in college and residency to become a doctor and last week she was turned down a job prospect because she did not speak Spanish!
Its not the Minutemen, its not the pro-immigrant caucus. Its just plain common sense. No we should not close the borders, but we should conduct ourselves as an orderly country and people so that we remain AMERICA !
Incidentally I am from India and I adapted to and Adopted my new country the LEGAL way!

I'm with Barbara Coe. Given what's being done to us financially (outsourcing & deficits), the curtailing of our civil liberties (wiretaps), and now the final installment of the selling out of working americans by importing a new labor base, I have no faith in a government by and for the rich people. I will vote accordingly until voting no longer works then I will join the groups that look to change the corrupt system that's currently in place.

By the end of the 21st century America will be a large Latinized nation like Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico, who all have no interest in the oppressed peoples of the world. Good-bye Israel and Bosnia. Hello Palestine, Taliban, and El Qaida. Without America as the great protector of freedom and liberty, the world will slide back in to the dark abyss of tyranny and poverty that existed for all the thousands of years of civilization.

On the Eastern Shore of MD & DE there are many hardworking immigrants from Mexico. One instance which I have been made aware of by a relative of this immigrant shows what can happen when our US gov't ( Barbara McCaulski) in this case gets involved
in bringing an immigrant into this county. The man in question was here illegically and was married to an American and had 2 American born children. He was accused of a sexual crime and was deported. The INS told him they always knew where he was but were told not to bother him unless a crime was commited. After he was deported, his American family began working with the US gov't to bring him back legally. Eventually, with Sen. Mccaulski's help, he was given a new last name, a new social security # and is now back in the US legally. He may not have been guilty of the crime but by letting him back in with a new SS#, his debts were wiped out. I am told he had bought a van ( which he still owed on in the US-took it to Mexico and sold it there. Don't tell me that illegal immigrants using phoney SS#'s don't cost us anything.

Neither the Reps. nor the Dems. will get any of my hard earned monies for their campaign war chests ever again. Mine is goin to a deserving 3rd party. Get one going guys and make it a real conservative organization, since we don't have one now.

Perhaps the opponents of immigration are getting a taste of what the Native Americans feel. My Grandparents are all from another country. SO are most of yours. In the words of Reagan... "Tear Down This Wall!" Truly, I believe we should let everyone in freely. Demonstrate freedome so that the other countries citizens will demand it at home. Lady Liberty's words are not only for white people, as the po

The sad part is that our Republican "leadership" doesn't understand that if they don't get this bill done before the November election, it will never get done! If the Dems take the House in November, the boarders will continue to have holes in it like Swiss cheese. Furthermore, they would love to give illegals amnesty because they'll have another voting block to secure their future in Washington.

It's like a catch 22. Bite the bullet and adobt the House version and maybe get booted out in November or don't, and give them citizenship while giving the Dems another voting base.

The Minutemen are about closing a porous border.

How is this seen as racism?

Illegal aliens are not of a race,they are violating the laws of the land. Our govt. is doing nothing but trying to appease. Sadly,in November and beyond they will find that they appeased the wrong group.

This has nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with money. Illegal immigrants are notorious for using bogus social security numbers on work forms, and claiming they have 4, 5, or 6 dependents that in reality do not exist. Most do not pay for health care, but have no problem going to an emergency room to receive care for a common cold. Many do not carry auto insurance, who picks up the tab when they cause an accident? Tax payers & legal immigrants alike are tired of picking up the tab.

Mr. "I'm a uniter, not a divisor" [sic] will save us.

americn's are becomeing extinct. And the one's left have a hard road ahead of us.Amnesty is what they'll get I'm sure this government is salling us out little by little what thay say about bush is true no matter what you vote. Just you watch and see.All are fore father's died for nothing.Foreigner's can come here and live for free take are job's home's way of life just so the rich can have get some work done cheap that's what it's all about money. I wish I was wrong but I'm not. I have young children and I pray to god that there I's some good in there life in there own country.What's left of it after the government's done

I cordially invite the mainstream media and the US Congress down to ANY of the border ranches in AZ for a couple of weeks. During your stay, you will find the following:

1. Dead bodies
2. Trash
3. Human Waste
4. Brush huts
5. Damaged private property that has to be repaired on a daily basis
6. Hardworking ranchowners so afraid they sleep with firearms, only leave the house in shifts, and NEVER leave anyone alone in the house, especially women.

Along with these wondrous sights, you are also invited to help clean up the mess.

In addition, you will also get a tour of the lovely Interstate 10, where two groups of human smugglers (coyotes) had a shootout IN BROAD DAYLIGHT across the road from each other, while other people were driving to home, school, visit relatives, etc.

If this crap happened in Martha's Vineyard or Crawford, you can bet your boot scootin' bootie the problem would be taken under control.

The fact that our own government has basically betrayed it's people by telling Mexico where the Minutemen are located is disgusting and frightening beyond description.

We can argue about racism until you know what freezes over - THIS IS NOT ABOUT RACISM. This is about unsecured borders in the terror age. This is about the twisted logic of people entering this country illegally demanding the same rights as those who are legal. This is also about businesses profiting from the use of illegal immigrant workers at the expense of the safety of the country.

Until this government quits betraying its people and does something about illegal immigration, don't expect the Minuteman to go away anytime soon. They are only "doing the job other Americans won't do" !!

This issue has been around longer than George Bush has and his wheeling out this old issue is another Weapon of Mass Distraction. The partisian positions taken by both sides will do very little towrds a reasonable solution other than fanning the flames. It is quite divisive in that all legal citizens will be painted with the same brush as those who came here illegally.

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