Anti-Murtha resolution
So I'm standing around waiting for an elevator in the basement of the Capitol early this afternoon when erstwhile majority leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, and a phalanx of fellow House conservatives walk up behind.
The big question of the day for me is about the pending tax cut legislation that Republicans are struggling to bring to a vote before leaving this afternoon for a two-week Thanksgiving recess. So I ask him about the floor schedule. Even though he isn't technically in charge anymore, it's obvious to everyone around here that he's still deeply involved in running the place.
"Two conference reports, the tax bill and an anti-Murtha resolution," he tells me in a voice raspy from a late night of twisting arms on the budget bill and a cold that he picked up along the way. "Anti-Murtha?" says I. "A 'no retreat' resolution," he confirms.
The half-dozen or so Republicans who had shoe-horned aboard the elevator are apparently hearing this for the first time, too. "Oh Tom, that would be great," says Rep. Don Sherwood, R-Pa. "We should really do that," agrees Rep. John Doolittle, R-Calif. Doolittle sports a small hammer-shaped lapel pin on his suit, a symbol of solidarity with the embattled DeLay.
I thought he was joking. Until I had the chance to interview Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., himself for Andrea Mitchell's spot in this evening's broadcast. Before we began I asked Murtha if he had heard anything about it. "Yes, I will debate them on the floor if that's what they want to do," says Murtha.
It turns out that the plan is to put a non-binding resolution on the floor demanding an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, and dare Democrats gleeful over what Murtha has done to put their vote where their smile is.
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The argument that people like me are aiding and abetting the enemy by saying that we need to pull out of IRAQ is, well to put it lightly, over- simplistic, unoriginal, and played out. For all you who label me unpatriotic, I ask you to come back with a more original argument. Just because you have an American Flag in your home or sticker on your car window does not make you more patriotic than anyoine else. This war is wrong, the president lied and many have died. How many more have to die before we realize this?
Aaron Cervantes, El Paso, Texas/LA, CA (Sent Nov 18, 2005 7:31:22 PM)
Rep. Murtha stood up for America and said what needed to be said. My daughter is in the army but I notice most of those calling to stay in Iraq have no love ones there. Cheney skipped out 5 times rather then join the military but he will send our kids to die in Iraq. I hope others stand up with Rep. Murtha because he is an American Hero.
Jackie Rawlings Riverside California (Sent Nov 18, 2005 7:02:13 PM)
American soldiers are not honored by deaths, and more deaths to come. They would be honored by a government who wants the best for them; but this administration seems to think their real enemy is the Democratic party, not the terrorists.
Leslie Galen (Sent Nov 18, 2005 6:59:55 PM)
i can,t understand american people who want to call other american's non-patriotic because of their believeth, it seems to me we as american's contradict's democracy and have become the most hated country in the modern world, as Japan attact us we have attact also and Bin Ladin still reminds
rick james (Sent Nov 18, 2005 6:50:40 PM)
I think a lot of us are finally tired of Tom DeLay and this administrations incessant (Nixon era) dirty tricks!
Rep. Murtha is a decorated hero! DeLay is a cheap hack.
It won't be long before they're handing out Brown Shirts.
Chip Budlong (Sent Nov 18, 2005 6:45:57 PM)
I have never believed in this war, and the American people now know that they were misled by our President. Look at the lives that have been killed, just young men. This could all been avoided. Look at the money that has been spent for it. Look at the bad conditions that our service men have gone through in Iraq, not the proper equipment, and in many cases, they had to buy their own supplies. Many american companies sent things to our troops because they did not have the necessary equipment they needed. What a waste. What has this war done? It took lives, thats all and some of our americans were even tortured, for what? Sadamm was no threat to us. Yes, we found out too late, didn't we. Don't ever listen to Bush again.
Ella Hicks, Salt Lake City, Utah (Sent Nov 18, 2005 6:39:55 PM)
It strikes me as sadly hypocritical that these chicken hawks, like Cheney, who've hidden behind five, count'em five deferments would dare to criticize a decorated career Marine Vietnam Veteran with a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts. Maybe he should go back to his safe undisclosed location.
kevin Foisie, Santa Cruz, Ca. (Sent Nov 18, 2005 6:25:04 PM)
I think that the republicans are wanting to gain the upper political ground with their anti-Murtha vote.If they really feel so strongly about the war in Iraq, let them send their sons and daughters;then, let the American people vote on whether Murtha is right.Hopefully, we will do so in 2006.
Dale Edwards (Sent Nov 18, 2005 6:25:03 PM)
Congressman Murtha’s is entitled to his opinion. I don’t agree with it at all but he does have the right to express it. I think it is harmful to the war effort because the Islamofacists can use it to bolster their propaganda campaign. We are not just fighting a shooting war. There is a propaganda war for the harts and minds of billions of people around the world. This aspect of the war we are losing to the Islamofacists primarily because we have not been engaging them.
This has allowed the press to frame the information battle in the anti-American context they so prefer. I hope that the Administration and the Republicans in congress figure this out shortly and takes the initiative and the offence as our solders have done on the ground of Iraq. The solders are doing their jobs but the politicians and the President are failing to fight that their part of the war.
piscivorous (Sent Nov 18, 2005 6:04:54 PM)
American life is too precious to waist on this police action. It is not a war, remember "Mission Accomplished"? I am ashamed that my president has lost touch with the people. Being a disabled veteran, with two honerable discharges it pains me to feel this way about the current state of America. Plus they need to put all the funding they cut off Veterans aid. There a thousand of maimed, crippled, and war families that are going to need our help to simply exist.
Help Americans first, make sure that our own house is repaired and in good order before we consider helping others.
GIl Sandoval, Pomona, California (Sent Nov 18, 2005 6:02:54 PM)
Why is it wrong to ask Congress to vote on withdrawal? Perhaps a certain party likes to pacify its base with phony withdrawal talk but knows, in reality, that withdrawal is not possible. Stand up Democrats and vote for withdrawal, if that is what you truly believe. Otherwise you are cowards not worthy of ofice.
Caroline Engler (Sent Nov 18, 2005 5:55:22 PM)
Let them present this resolution, and let every Democrat (and like-minded Republicans) who supported the war initially but now do not stand up and say "We were wrong, but now we can make it right." I would much rather have a house full of representatives who will turn around and head down the right road instead of a house full of puppets who would rather keep heading in the wrong direction so they don't have to admit they "flip-flopped." Those men and women represent us, Americans, and as America has turned so should they. They are there to express our views, and the majority of Americans now understand it was a mistake - it's their job to stand up and say so.
E. Eastaugh, Houston, TX (Sent Nov 18, 2005 5:53:05 PM)
Years ago Mr. Delay stated that President Clinton "Should Have" been impeached for simply lying to his wife. I think Mr. Delay should be Impeached from his Senate seat for lying to America and the grand jury. Than he should be prosecuted for same and imprisoned upon being found guilty. Hopefully, he will be imprisoned in a real prison and not some low level country club confinement.
Delay is the 3rd most sinister and dangerous man in America After our "uniter" of a dictator.... err president. Mr. Bush, and our "VP Of Torture" Mr. Cheney.
david silbert, dania, FL (Sent Nov 18, 2005 5:49:30 PM)
At last--a Pennsylvania legislator who says what I think. What a change.
Sandie B., Oil City, PA (Sent Nov 18, 2005 5:46:13 PM)
Stand tall, Congressman Murtha! Someone in Washington DC has to!
Mark Billings, Boise, ID (Sent Nov 18, 2005 5:41:05 PM)
A measure of a man is not how many others he can beat up in the local bar; it is how broad his shoulders are to stand tall in the midst of difficulties and being the first to cease hostilities when a possibility of peace exists.
A measure of a leader is in protecting his citizens, providing positive direction to growth, and fairness in supporting citizens' progress.
I submit that President Bush fails in both measures and Congressman Murtha is proving worthy of these definitions.
Mark Billings, Boise, ID (Sent Nov 18, 2005 5:40:13 PM)
What will the Republicans do next? Declare John Murtha, a decorated veteran, a subversive traitor? I'm expecting a group of veterans to come out and declare Murtha's service and valor to be suspicious. The Republicans are masters at turning an issue around on the person who disagrees with them. There is no discussion, no honest dialogue with this administration. It's the Bush way or you're not a patriot. This isn't how my America works.
Carol Weis, St. Louis, MO (Sent Nov 18, 2005 5:34:55 PM)
20 years from now schools will be teaching the perils of Bushism right alongside Mcarthyism.
Gary (Sent Nov 18, 2005 5:19:50 PM)
I can not beleive that the Democrats are so desperate to gain control back that they would sell out the United States and the people we sent to defend it. It is beyond the lowest of the low. I am ashamed that they think the really patriots.
Bobby Dew, Terrell, Tx. (Sent Nov 18, 2005 4:58:59 PM)
The Republicans have the NERVE to condemn the Democrats for playing politics with the important issues of the day! How hypocritical is that? It is tough enough for many of the Dems to stand up and say they made a mistake in supporting the war to begin with. But now the GOP is rubbing their faces in it, like the war has been some huge success of which we should all be proud.
Mike Caruso, Erie, CO (Sent Nov 18, 2005 4:58:14 PM)
If we are truly at risk for terrorist attacks, why is there no discussion of preparedness? Countless cargo containers enter this country every day without oversight. Surely funds that are being committed to Iraq could be redirected to keeping our borders tight and the country prepared for attack.
M. H. Sexton (Sent Nov 18, 2005 4:45:11 PM)
As the father of to sons in the military, one just retrned from Iraq and the other presently there, I've got to tell you that I no longer believe in anything the Bush Whitehouse or the Republican Party has to say. I want us out of Iraq right now. Forget 6 months. Let's try 6 days. We, the Amercian people, were railroaded into Iraq on a train of outright lies and half truths manufactured by a Whiethouse that knows no honor, knows no truth, has no sense of decency and no plans for this country.
Mike Brooks (Sent Nov 18, 2005 4:34:27 PM)
I stand behind the President of the United States of America. The war in Iraq is just and is of a noble cause. Our malconteted, deluded, and obstructive legislators in DC who vilify President Bush only aid and abet the enemies of America. Do we need to lose some more skyscrapers in New York to resensitize our awareness of our vulnerabilities? A wolf pounces on weak and wounded prey. America needs to show strength, courage, and a resolve to defeat barbarians wherever they lurk in the world. It is the soldier who grants the freedom of the press. Make your news stories worth the lives of the soldiers who have given their ultimate sacrifice for this country--willingly. Americans apparently are too soft, and do not want their cushy lifestyle rocked.
Ronald G. Juler, Seal Beach, California (Sent Nov 18, 2005 4:08:23 PM)
One would think if we question or oppose Adminsitration-think, we are subversive,traitorous, Anti-American, unpatriotic, etc. Where are we? Nazi germany or Back in the USSR?
Mark Dorn, Whitewater, WI (Sent Nov 18, 2005 3:44:01 PM)
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